Rich people go to Hell. You don’t get to go to Heaven if you’re a billionaire. Sorry. But if you hoard enough wealth to live a thousand lifetimes, then you have received your reward.
So many Christians just can’t accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.
If only Hell existed and if only it all wasn’t a ruse to placate people in to accepting their poor lot in life so the rich can continue to not be eaten by the poor.
It’s weird that state of mind includes burning hellfire
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire
Well rich people demonstrably have better mental health as far as happiness than those struggling to pay bills or in even worse situations… So… Kinda’ a distinction without a point.
Do POTUS, Musk, Thiel, Yarvin SEEM happy or healthy to you?
Epstein or Max? How about the girls on the island? Go look at photos.
Now consider social media influencers. The little boy that is in the iconic photo hugging the cop.
Now consider what we know beyond the way it looks.
There’s persona and personality. They are not the same things.
Can wealthy people be happy and healthy? Maybe, if they’re actually good people and never look too deeply at the family wealth, or if they’re not too developed, in certain ways.
According to an article I read a while back, he was rejected by leftists and swerved hard right. I’m not exactly sure when that was, but apparently you’re on the right track.
Congratulations, you’ve utterly and completely missed the point about how money creates ample room for happiness. Whereas not having money creates stress and awful situations.
Again, congratulations on completely and utterly missing the point.
AFAIK you’re kinda wrong about that.
Research suggests that money improves happiness only to a certain point. Once you got the basic meets met it doesn’t really matter anymore.
People in poorer countries often live happier lives compared to those in rich ones.
Yeah because I’m living a completely lux life. 🙄 I’m angry but not bitter or depressed anymore.
Eta: in fact, despite my personal challenges, I’m pretty mentally healthy and decently happy, most of the time. I have my moments but they’re not consuming me. I quit playing the victim card and started playing the victim victory hand.
I was wondering why people were being so harsh about Pope Leo in the comments! I came from the front page too and didn’t notice. Not that their criticisms are unfair by any means.
Even so, let’s not forget that the Pope wields an untold amount of influence over the first world at any given time, so it’s not necessary to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Could he be doing more? Undoubtedly. But speaking out is the first step, and he’s been rather vocal with his core values and condemning this sort of tyranny and hatred.
I think that makes a lasting impact too. Especially when it’s causing this many MAGA sociopaths to “mask off” the fact that they were never in support of certain policies because of god or their religion or whathaveyou. It was an excuse, to hurt queer people, to oppress minorities. And others, especially younger folk raised in those bible belt regions, will begin to see the hypocrisy more clearly.
So let’s not be so quick to demonize him just yet. MAGA’s already got that covered.
“Ancient control society does one none evil thing with that cintrol” is not a reason to forget or forgive the actions of the catholic Church against women, indigenous people and queer people over the centuries. Until the religion is overhauled to remove the bad parts, we can, must and should criticise it.
I also thing you overstate the influence the pope has over American Christians.
Evangelicals and other protestants are trained to view the pope as at best mistaken, at worst a literal agent of the devil.
Perhaps he might reach some, or some Catholics, but any Christian who comes to dislike hypocrisy or love truth will cease to be a Christian.
Their perception of god is different, doesn’t mean they don’t believe in the rightness of what they’re doing. keep in mind that the vast majority of christian thought and scriptures support shit like slavery and women being little better off than the foreign slaves.
The only reason Jesus wasn’t a white supremacist was that he wasn’t white.
The Christians who happen to be good people are good people in spite of, not because of, their religion.
If not believing in contradictory lies, corrupted parable, and a confused version of history people mistake for philosophy is edgy, you must live a very boring life.
Just because there exists people who don’t think like you doesn’t mean they live a boring life. That’s a bit mean to assume, isn’t it?
I believe there is a wisdom in many of the books people find holy. I’m also an atheist. I believe in the void of nothingness as the ultimate reality. I’m also a theist. I believe in higher powers spanning dimensions.
Nothing needs to be so small or simple as binary coded, but maybe everything can be? We all enjoy the game of this or that, in or out, true or false, but that sounds incredibly boring to me. So I don’t play it. It’s more fun to be anything we want.
I am both a believer in nothing and a believer in everything. It may appear as a contradiction, because it is. It also isn’t. It is completely internally consistent and orderly but it’s also pure beautiful chaos.
Just because people misunderstand things and take bad actions doesn’t mean the thing itself isn’t still useful. We don’t completely understand our own bodies yet they continue to function in spite of our understanding.
Navigating a wilderness without a compass is a difficult thing. We all have a compass inside of us. I hope that everyone everywhere will find it.
It… Didn’t? That’s effectively the protestant work ethic is all about. Being successful on earth is supposedly a sign that you are in god’s good graces.
Not to mention, the whole covenant with Israel was basically prosperity gospel written on the scale of nation states- the promise was that as long as Israel obeyed and followed the Law, then god would bless them above all other nations.
The trouble was that Israel- as a nation- was extremely…uh… fickle. (see all the exiles and shit that happens because supposedly god is done with their shit.) it’s mostly just an explanation why a supposedly blessed nation woulld be yeeted into exile- and was written near the end of the exilic period (pretty much as they were going home?)
There’s a fantastic book called “Dominion: the creation of the western mind” that takes an academic, secular and factual approach to the early Church, as you might imagine, specifically in relation to our worldview here.
According to them, it took so long because of just how genuinely anti-wealth the bible is. It literally took centuries of work to push it round to the “gospel according business owners” we have today.
Ironically, a fair few of the reformations throughout the centuries were due to the wealth accumulated by the church and the outrage that could be drummed up by wild holy men, who would appear infinitely more saintly than a gold-clad bishop, all the way up to large parts of early protestant outrage.
Cheap PR while he’s alive. Whenever he does a shitty thing, his supporters can just point to that promise. Meanwhile, while he’s alive, he’s kept the covid vaccine he was involved with privately owned, running directly counter to the precedent set by Jonas Salk with the polio vaccine.
Do the powers that be know that? Do they adjust the threshold over the years? Could someone be a single cent over it and end up in Hell?? This just raises further questions!
To claim that Jesus was either capitalist or anticapitalist is anachronistic to the point of absurdity.
Capitalism isn’t just “free markets”, it’s a set of institutions and norms that really only make sense in a modern setting, with centralised states, and very specific forms of absolute property rights and contractual obligations.
Jesus, however, claimed rich people could not enter heaven. Rich people can exist outside capitalism.
Rich people go to Hell. You don’t get to go to Heaven if you’re a billionaire. Sorry. But if you hoard enough wealth to live a thousand lifetimes, then you have received your reward.
So many Christians just can’t accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.
If only Hell existed and if only it all wasn’t a ruse to placate people in to accepting their poor lot in life so the rich can continue to not be eaten by the poor.
It’s a state of mind, according to Jesus (Luke 17:21).
It’s weird that state of mind includes burning hellfire
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire
Metaphor, allegory, analogy. Matthew 13:10 otherwise you could end up in prison, dead, or exiled. Oh look, we’ve come full circle.
Well rich people demonstrably have better mental health as far as happiness than those struggling to pay bills or in even worse situations… So… Kinda’ a distinction without a point.
Do POTUS, Musk, Thiel, Yarvin SEEM happy or healthy to you?
Epstein or Max? How about the girls on the island? Go look at photos.
Now consider social media influencers. The little boy that is in the iconic photo hugging the cop.
Now consider what we know beyond the way it looks.
There’s persona and personality. They are not the same things.
Can wealthy people be happy and healthy? Maybe, if they’re actually good people and never look too deeply at the family wealth, or if they’re not too developed, in certain ways.
The only thing Yarvin’s bloviating horseshit has convince me of is that high school wasn’t a good time for him and he’s still mad about.
According to an article I read a while back, he was rejected by leftists and swerved hard right. I’m not exactly sure when that was, but apparently you’re on the right track.
Congratulations, you’ve utterly and completely missed the point about how money creates ample room for happiness. Whereas not having money creates stress and awful situations.
Again, congratulations on completely and utterly missing the point.
AFAIK you’re kinda wrong about that. Research suggests that money improves happiness only to a certain point. Once you got the basic meets met it doesn’t really matter anymore.
People in poorer countries often live happier lives compared to those in rich ones.
“… to a certain point”
Yes thank you for agreeing that money DOES improve happiness.
Yeah because I’m living a completely lux life. 🙄 I’m angry but not bitter or depressed anymore.
Eta: in fact, despite my personal challenges, I’m pretty mentally healthy and decently happy, most of the time. I have my moments but they’re not consuming me. I quit playing the victim card and started playing the
victimvictory hand.Thank you r/atheism.
Imagine encountering an atheist in the atheistmemes community.
I was wondering why people were being so harsh about Pope Leo in the comments! I came from the front page too and didn’t notice. Not that their criticisms are unfair by any means.
Even so, let’s not forget that the Pope wields an untold amount of influence over the first world at any given time, so it’s not necessary to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Could he be doing more? Undoubtedly. But speaking out is the first step, and he’s been rather vocal with his core values and condemning this sort of tyranny and hatred.
I think that makes a lasting impact too. Especially when it’s causing this many MAGA sociopaths to “mask off” the fact that they were never in support of certain policies because of god or their religion or whathaveyou. It was an excuse, to hurt queer people, to oppress minorities. And others, especially younger folk raised in those bible belt regions, will begin to see the hypocrisy more clearly.
So let’s not be so quick to demonize him just yet. MAGA’s already got that covered.
I don’t think youre seeing the whole picture.
“Ancient control society does one none evil thing with that cintrol” is not a reason to forget or forgive the actions of the catholic Church against women, indigenous people and queer people over the centuries. Until the religion is overhauled to remove the bad parts, we can, must and should criticise it.
I also thing you overstate the influence the pope has over American Christians.
Evangelicals and other protestants are trained to view the pope as at best mistaken, at worst a literal agent of the devil.
Perhaps he might reach some, or some Catholics, but any Christian who comes to dislike hypocrisy or love truth will cease to be a Christian.
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Their perception of god is different, doesn’t mean they don’t believe in the rightness of what they’re doing. keep in mind that the vast majority of christian thought and scriptures support shit like slavery and women being little better off than the foreign slaves.
The only reason Jesus wasn’t a white supremacist was that he wasn’t white.
The Christians who happen to be good people are good people in spite of, not because of, their religion.
If not believing in contradictory lies, corrupted parable, and a confused version of history people mistake for philosophy is edgy, you must live a very boring life.
Just because there exists people who don’t think like you doesn’t mean they live a boring life. That’s a bit mean to assume, isn’t it?
I believe there is a wisdom in many of the books people find holy. I’m also an atheist. I believe in the void of nothingness as the ultimate reality. I’m also a theist. I believe in higher powers spanning dimensions.
Nothing needs to be so small or simple as binary coded, but maybe everything can be? We all enjoy the game of this or that, in or out, true or false, but that sounds incredibly boring to me. So I don’t play it. It’s more fun to be anything we want.
I am both a believer in nothing and a believer in everything. It may appear as a contradiction, because it is. It also isn’t. It is completely internally consistent and orderly but it’s also pure beautiful chaos.
Just because people misunderstand things and take bad actions doesn’t mean the thing itself isn’t still useful. We don’t completely understand our own bodies yet they continue to function in spite of our understanding.
Navigating a wilderness without a compass is a difficult thing. We all have a compass inside of us. I hope that everyone everywhere will find it.
My comment is not about EVERY religous person. Just the pearl-clutching weirdos who get offended at hearing atheists exist and don’t believe.
Sure, there is some wisdom, but it’s buried in mistranslation and mixed with recorded history that’s also been through the mistranslation process.
I have no respect for people who think they have greater knowledge by misinterpreting and projecting their feelings on to such corrupted text.
Cry harder.
To be honest, it’s kind of surprising that the prosperity gospel only took off fairly recently. “Get rich and feel good about it” is an easy sell.
It… Didn’t? That’s effectively the protestant work ethic is all about. Being successful on earth is supposedly a sign that you are in god’s good graces.
Prosperity gospel just took that to 11
Not to mention, the whole covenant with Israel was basically prosperity gospel written on the scale of nation states- the promise was that as long as Israel obeyed and followed the Law, then god would bless them above all other nations.
The trouble was that Israel- as a nation- was extremely…uh… fickle. (see all the exiles and shit that happens because supposedly god is done with their shit.) it’s mostly just an explanation why a supposedly blessed nation woulld be yeeted into exile- and was written near the end of the exilic period (pretty much as they were going home?)
There’s a fantastic book called “Dominion: the creation of the western mind” that takes an academic, secular and factual approach to the early Church, as you might imagine, specifically in relation to our worldview here.
According to them, it took so long because of just how genuinely anti-wealth the bible is. It literally took centuries of work to push it round to the “gospel according business owners” we have today.
Ironically, a fair few of the reformations throughout the centuries were due to the wealth accumulated by the church and the outrage that could be drummed up by wild holy men, who would appear infinitely more saintly than a gold-clad bishop, all the way up to large parts of early protestant outrage.
I always wondered why Bill Gates pledged to give away all his money before the end of his life, this must be it.
Cheap PR while he’s alive. Whenever he does a shitty thing, his supporters can just point to that promise. Meanwhile, while he’s alive, he’s kept the covid vaccine he was involved with privately owned, running directly counter to the precedent set by Jonas Salk with the polio vaccine.
Loophole! Can also use this on poor people you hate - give them a million dollars on their deathbed so they’ll go to Hell!
A million does not make you wealthy anymore. That’s a modest retirement these days
Do the powers that be know that? Do they adjust the threshold over the years? Could someone be a single cent over it and end up in Hell?? This just raises further questions!
The rich guy who stalked off? he saw him for what he was: a scam artist.
To claim that Jesus was either capitalist or anticapitalist is anachronistic to the point of absurdity.
Capitalism isn’t just “free markets”, it’s a set of institutions and norms that really only make sense in a modern setting, with centralised states, and very specific forms of absolute property rights and contractual obligations.
Jesus, however, claimed rich people could not enter heaven. Rich people can exist outside capitalism.
Not really saying he was capitalist, but he certainly wasn’t anti-capitalist.
Mostly he was taking people’s cash and running. Miracles didn’t happened in his hometown because they all knew he was full of shit.