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    “This is the police! Hands up you FREAK!”

    “…im a farmer”

    “omg thats so cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?”

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      “omg thats so cool, can i bring my kids to watch and maybe they can try?”

      Context is everything. “The Bible: In the Beginning” (1966) contains a long fully nude Adam & Eve scene, but schools were encouraged to send kids to see it. My school did. But nudity in movies was very rare in 1966 and such a scene would normally have been prohibited by government censorship if not for the biblical framing.

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                Well what do you remember her saying when Gabriel showed up and offered to make her mother of the Messiah?

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                  Buddy shows up, flying, flaming sword, tells you God with a capital G is gonna knock you up, kinda high pressure, no?

                  But hey, she should be grateful. Its a 'uge honor! Really, He’s doing this for her. And He’s God. When You’re God, they let You do what You want. You just (metaphisically) grab em by the pussy, right? Otherwise, someone’s gonna be a pillar of salt…

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                  “I am the Lord’s servant. May it be done to me according to your word”, which to me i hear words like “servant” and “to your word” and i think this person thinks their word is lower than the other person due to power imbalance etc, and im pretty sure The Gospel of Matthew doesnt mention Mary’s consent. Or maybe even asking her for it, im not sure.

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    Fruit is perfectly wholesome and natural though. Except they aren’t…

    Corn is basically a bulge of semen because of how humans have bred it.

    Bananas are incapable of reproducing. All bananans you find in the supermarket are clones. If men were to die out, so would the common (cavendish) banana.

    Cows are bred for milk production. If it wasn’t for men, their milk production would be very different. It’s just as natural as a banana.

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      Cows are just as unnatural as bananas, but the farming of animals is much more cruel, unnecessary, and destructive to the environment

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              Extinction would be a kindness for domesticated livestock species (or subspecies…whatever they are classified as). It would break the endless nightmare cycle of factory farming.

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                It’s factory farming because at this point if it weren’t for raising animals for slaughter, we would have hunted pretty much everything to extinction. Vegan might be less harmful (aside that we evolved to eat meat and a vegan diet is hard to get right) but it isn’t without death. All those plants kill loads of insects and field mice and birds and rabbits. Everyone still gets a bit of blood on their hands.

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                  All those plants kill loads of insects and field mice and birds and rabbits

                  Eating plants directly significantly reduces the deaths of insects and other wildlife caused by agriculture. It takes a lot of plants to produce meat.

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                  A vegan diet is not hard to get right. Not at all. The only hard part is that most people are not vegan.

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                The cows we have that we get milk and beef from never lived in the wild. They’re domesticated from wild aurochs that started up around 10,000 years ago. Cows are domesticated food sources that wouldn’t exist without us, just like dogs wouldn’t exist without us.

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      Wait which part of the man is the banana reliant upon

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        the part where we use pesticides, fertilizer and other techniques to make sure these plants don’t die. they’re bred for usefuleness, not for surviving in the wild. this is basically true for all crops we farm

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    If people are willing to mastrubate bulls for money, then just imagine what else they are willing to do to earn a buck.

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    You guys are doing it for the meat and that’s weak. I don’t need a reason.

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    Veganism is unnatural because we’re all omnivores, and evolved eating both plants and animals.

    Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.

    Both can be true.

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      Fun fact, we evolved to eat raw meat, that’s why we have an appendix. Then, when we stopped eating raw meat, we started to evolve away from the appendix.

      Evolutionary arguments don’t support the naturalist fallacy, because evolution doesn’t work like that. It responds to environmental pressures. It’s not some guiding light for what we’re “meant” to be doing, it’s the tools we’ve got to support what we already did.

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        This article says it was for raw vegetables:

        For our ancestors, the appendix most likely evolved to help them digest a diet rich in raw vegetables and cellulose, as it still does in many herbivorous mammals. Thousands of years ago it would have functioned as an extension of the cecum, involved in the bacterial digestion of fibrous plant materials.

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        That is not proven though, the appendix part, that’s the explanation I like the best as well. Other explanations, I forget, the aliens had it for some shit we don’t even know about, oh yeah, the more likely non joke one, and it could be what you say and this both many organs do multiple things, is to provide a reservoir of gut bacteria, to repopulate the gut after the system is flushed. That would go right along with digesting raw meat, as using independent bacteria is large part of the human body we’ve come to learn.

        I forget what the other theories are, but there are others for the appendix, I believe the raw meat and reservoir of bacteria both though is most likely.

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          While still technically a theory, the appendix acting as a reservoir for healthy gut bacteria has largely been proven. That function could very well have helped with digestion of raw meat as well, especially if eating raw meats caused issues with diarrhea.

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          I want my money back
          That wasn’t fun
          The bricks and the gravel and the mud and the blood
          Another wild teenager in search of success, welcome to the jewel of the modified west

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        It’s probably got more to do with eating less rotten meat than eating less raw meat. It has functions for the immune system it is like the surveillance system for what is being introduced to the body.

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        They are still omnivores who choose to limit their diet. Acknowledging that is a choice gives it meaning, which would be lost if it was treated as something similar to being an herbivore.

        I am not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but respect the choice to limit one’s diet for the purpose of limiting animal suffering.

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        that’s a choice by an individual. doesn’t change how their body behaves due to millions of years of evolution.

        ironically, the thing that gave them the ability to make the choice to be vegan is the thing they are rebelling against. high volumes of protein, specifically those from consuming the brains and muscle of prey, allowed the species to grow larger and more complex brains.

        in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.

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          By your logic, obligate carnivores would have the larger brains. Humans are obligate omnivores. Studies show no significant differences in cognitive function, cardiovascular risk, or bone health when vegan diets meet recommended dietary allowance levels. Animal protein contributed during the evolution of the human brain, but the development was driven by cooking. Cooking externalized the energy required for digesting food, which allowed for a reduction of jaws/jaw muscles, and especially gut size, freeing energy that could be used by the brain instead.

          Also, the brain is fueled by glucose, not protein …

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          It’s interesting how you seem to believe your stance is based on science and facts yet you conducted no research to find out what vegans actually eat. Else you’d have found out vegans do typically eat a lot of protein and generally have healthier diets than the general public. The reason being vegans by definition spend time thinking about what to eat and looking stuff up, whereas many people just eat whatever.

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              I’m an omnivore, but god, imagine being so fragile that even talking to someone about veganism without resorting to #MEATPOSTING when your comfort food is a drive through away…

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                Imagine having an ego so fragile that pointing out misused terminology turns into a flamebate where the person feels personally attacked.

                I couldn’t care less about vegan or vegetarian lifestyles and the people who follow it. it’s a personal preference like sucking dick or being a Jets fan. but personal preferences don’t change biology.

                stick a devout vegan on a liferaft with only fish to eat and they will eat fish. that is, unless they have magically evolved out the will to survive.

                your meatposting gave me a good chuckle and reminded me of cannibal holocaust.

                am I meatposting right?

                1000003101

                Edit: jesus there’s alot of Jets fans on here…

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          in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.

          You need to go back in time and eat more meat so you can be smart enough to not comment stupid shit. I love the idea that millions of years of eating a vegan diet humanity wouldn’t evolve to adapt better to the vegan diet. It’s very funny.

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      Given that I’m typing this in a climate-controlled room on a computer that is connected to the internet, I would say that natural/unnatural has lost relevancy to modern lifestyles.

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      Our monkey, or rather ape, ancestors were more vegan than meat eater.

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        More vegan.

        What a curious phrase. Not just for the substitution of vegetarian for vegan, but for the use of “more”. More vegan. I thought it was binary. Are there partial vegans? I thought that wasn’t allowed.

        Because my diet includes more calories and nutrition from plant matter than meat most days, am I more vegan now?

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        Today, most people are “more vegan” than meat eater, too, as in they eat more grains and vegetables than meat. If that’s what you meant.

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          They overwhelmingly ate more plants than meat we can safely presume. Meat they could get would be mostly insects, and an already dead or sick animals. Later when they came out of the trees shellfish.

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            Yes scavenging for meat is generally considered a very important part of human evolution. Our stomachs are particularly acidic when compared to other great apes. This is believed to have evolved due to a high consumption of scavenged meats.

            You are right though plants generally did form a large portion of our and our ancestors diets.

            Important to note that as our brain size increased it did correlate with increased meat consumption as well. This all goes into calorie densities, available nutrients, and evolutionary pressures.

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        that’s like comparing us to the primordial plankton that use to eat microbes.

        it’s just really stupid.

        let’s ignore 25 million years of evolution.

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          Evolution is on a long scale, we have a lot longer as vegans than we do eating any meat to speak of outside insects and scavenging. Only a blink of an eye hunting our own meat to a large extent, a small fraction of a million years, compared to millions, and tens of millions, vegan ish.

          Longer when you include like passive meat eating, like shellfish, which is what people were thought to be following as they colonized the middle east and asia.

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            if your argument is that we were herbivores longer than omnivores I’ve got some news for you. we ate planktons for alot longer than plants, mostly because plants didn’t even exist for millions of years.

            so by your logic we should be eating phytoplanktons instead of plants and animals.

            you can’t just dismiss millions of years of evolution on a whim based entirely on an emotional reaction.

            be vegan all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are an omnivore.

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              Not millions though, tens of thousands eating meat, millions eating mostly vegan. I’m not a vegan btw don’t have a dog in this fight.

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                We, humans, have only existed for around 200,000 years, you are referring to multiple different species that are explicitly not Homo Sapiens Sapiens that all had different organic needs and requirements than what we require. This stance really does not hold any kind of scientific relevance to the human diet. We are inarguably evolved, as humans, to be omnivores, and arguably obligate omnivores if you’re trying to be scientific about it.

                Veganism is a choice based on modern subjective morality, there is no objective or scientific explanation or reason for humans to be vegan. It’s a choice, plain and simple, and it does not make you better or worse than anyone else.

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      A guy reading a Bible on one hand with his hand a foot deep into a cow’s behind…they let you do it if you’re famous said the lord.

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        A guy reading a Bible on one hand with his hand a foot deep into a cow’s behind

        …you…you do know that’s not how insemination works…right?

        if they’re in it’s behind, that’s an impacted colon and they are likely trying to clear it.

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      Vegans will NEVER have the political clout to force their way of life on everyone, and they’re mad AF about it.

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        Vegans don’t want to force anything on anyone. What we want to do is to persuade people to change their minds. I believe wholeheartedly that veganism as a majority position is inevitable. In the past, the idea that black women would be allowed to vote was more unthinkable than majority veganism is now. History trends towards progressivism.

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        It’s not just political clout. Attempting to politically force veganism on the world would result in a war, not just votes against it.

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        People won’t willingly give up meat, so barring the issue being forced due to economics, the way to a vegan society is via cultured meat.

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      Not only that, but also vegan diet is literally making people crazy (or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice).

      Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2020.1741505#abstract

      The majority of studies, and especially the higher quality studies, showed that those who avoided meat consumption had significantly higher rates or risk of depression, anxiety, and/or self-harm behaviors. There was mixed evidence for temporal relations, but study designs and a lack of rigor precluded inferences of causal relations. Our study does not support meat avoidance as a strategy to benefit psychological health.

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        This study was funded in part via an unrestricted research grant from the Beef Checkoff, through the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.

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            It means this metastudy is less of a study and more of an advertisement. The outcome of a metastudy depends even more on who does it, especially if they make up the criteria for which research is “good” enough to include.

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        I think people on the left as whole would be more prone to depression and anxiety too. People who care about the world are generally more concious, more self-aware and critical, which turn into more worrying and at the extreme, anxiety.

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        I mean, the part you cited already mentioned it but later in the study it’s stated even more clearly:

        Across all studies, there was no evidence to support a causal relation between the consumption or avoidance of meat and any psychological outcomes.

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          A sentence later it says

          These authors posited that mental disorders may lead to the adoption of a meat-less diet. The authors stated that individuals with mental disorders may “choose a vegetarian diet as a form of safety or self-protective behavior”

          And I wrote

          or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice

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            You wrote

            vegan diet is literally making people crazy

            You were wrong about that, just walk it back dude, it’s not a big deal, it’s okay to be wrong about things.

            Also, people with anxiety and depression aren’t widely considered to be “crazy”.

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                I am honestly and genuinely trying to help you out here. I used to struggle to accept when I was wrong about something because it made me feel stupid, but in reality, people actually respect you a lot more when you demonstrate that you can admit when you’re wrong about things.

                You don’t need to concede the whole argument, just a simple “oh yeah, you’re right, the first part was definitely wrong, but I stand by the second part” would be a solid step in the right direction.

                Anyways, feel free to take my advice or not, I don’t really care about the thing you’re arguing about, I just saw someone who I thought I could maybe help avoid some of the problems I had in life.

                All the best!

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                  what they said is true.

                  I used to struggle to accept when I was wrong about something

                  you still have this problem

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        vegan diet is literally making people crazy

        Wrong.

        (or crazy people are more often on vegan diet, dealer’s choice).

        Mmm, no, there is a right answer and it’s this one. Well, it’s this one with more inclusive language. Like “People who have experienced more hardship with psychological consequences are more likely to avoid consumption of animal products”.

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    Interesting that someone could look at a normal (albeit unpleasant) veterinary procedure and immediately think of beasiality.

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        Carnists: “You don’t understand, we need to shove our hands up their asses”

        Vegans: “Yes, we know, that’s what we are concerned with”

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        At my friend’s farm, they put a bull in the cow’s pen and let them figure it out. People raised bulls specifically for breeding and nobody got in the way of a bull and a cow doing their business. That was 30 some years ago. I guess at some point people just needed more cows phacking in their ranch.

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          My grandparents used to do that on their farm - hire a fucking massive bull and let it run with the heifers for a bit and ‘let nature takes it’s course’.

          They also got the vet in to do the AI if it turned out the bull wasn’t doing enough fucking.

          Hardly call it a ranch though - just a pastoral smallholding.

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        I read a comment on how farmers castrate sheep with thier own teeth. Supposed to be the safest way. Use both hands to hold the legs so you don’t get your face bashed.

        Surgical castration

        The testicles may be surgically removed. With this method, a sharp knife or scalpel is used to remove the bottom one-third of the scrotal sac. The testicles are removed and the wound is allowed to drain and heal naturally. Sometimes, people use their teeth to remove the tiny testicles. It is essential that proper aseptic technique be used when the surgical method of castration is used.

        yeah it’s a thing…

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        “Is it possible I’ve completely missed the point? No, it must be everybody else here who’s wrong!”

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          What’s a large contingent of basement dwelling, star trek obsessed Linux nerds going to know about farming?

          Joking aside, if I didn’t see this growing up I’d probably react the same

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            …and, without any sense of introspection whatsoever, doubling down instead.

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      “Normal” in the context of industrial agriculture… Which has existed for less time than beastiality (source: idk might have made it up but it seems likely)

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        I wonder if they would use the same argument on a photo of someone receiving gender-affirming care.

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          I have a feeling the person receiving gender-affirming care consented to it. On a risk of sounding like a creep, I will even say they asked for it.

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      There is nothing normal about shoving your entire arm up a cow’s asshole in order to slightly increase the chance of your artificial insemination working so you can murder its baby and drink all the milk produced to nurture that baby.

      You’re sick.

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        That’s not what they’re doing. It’s more than a little weird you think so.

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          That’s not what they’re doing.

          It absolutely is what they’re doing, what do you mistakenly believe they’re doing?

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        Murder and drink the milk xD. wheezing. Seriously though renting a bull cant be more expensive than a vet. Even a cattle auction has to be cheaper.

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          Thsts enough. An idiot stands out in the comments when they keep repeating the same comment to everyone.

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            How eugenicist of you.

            This is either rape and the poster is sharing rape porn with zero concern for the victims or its not because they’re goddamn cows. You don’t get to have it both ways.

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      The argument that non-human animals do not possess some vague set of traits that make humans the only species worthy of being classified as ‘people,’

      Metacognition. It’s just metacognition. Not vague in the slightest. You can argue that it isn’t a good criterion, but it’s a very clear one.

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        That criterion fails Karl Popper’s principle of scientific falsifiability. Pick some criteria for which you could design an experiment that clearly and persuasively differentiates its presence from its absence.

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      I don’t agree with the use of the word “sociopathic”. It’s Greek for “socially ill” and has historically been associated with pseudoscientific stereotypes applied with people with antisocial personality disorder. Mental disorders are not bourgeois, they are proletarian. They are associated with hardship and trauma, not privilege.

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          Why would I read books by authors willing to use ableist slurs? Martha Stout and Paul Babiak sound like terrible people I want to hear nothing from. I’m already sure their opinions on mental disorders are worthless pseudoscientific garbage.

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    I came across a vidya on the interwebs many hears ago where a monkey grabbed a frog and used it as a fleshlight… Ever since then Ive had a different relationship with the word “unnatural”. The truth is that shoving your arm up a cows ass and eating vegan fervantly and being a hater ass bitch are all perfect examples of natural human behaviour…and im well past thinking theyre not.

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    “Farmers are weird therefore vegans aren’t”

    🤦‍♂️

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        I’ve dated vegan girls that were into some weird stuff. Granted, it was weird stuff between consenting sapient adults…

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          By shifting the metaphor from “Earth as mother” to “Earth as lover” we aim to entice people to develop a more mutual, pleasurable, sustainable, and less destructive relationship with the environment.

          While quirky, this is definitively less weird than OP’s disgusting image

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          So there exists some group using a weird metaphor, and somehow that is just as representative of vegans as a video of how farming works is of farmers…?

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            Way to shift that goalpost. You very clearly said “any vegan”, if you meant something else you should have said something else.

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              I guess I have to caveat my phrasing even when it’s super obvious what was meant. Everyone knows you could’ve found a single example of a vegan doing something bizarre, yet it wouldn’t be remotely relevant unless it were at least a semi-popular trend.

              Hint: “everyone” in this comment doesn’t literally mean every human in existence.